Bogus charges against President Trump in Georgia

Contested Elections in USA History

MSNBC colleague James Downie

Of course, neither Clinton nor Abrams nor anyone else in modern American history has sought to overturn the Electoral College. No one else has encouraged officials to create alternate slates of so-called fake electors. No one else has asked the governor of a state to “find 11,780 votes.” No one else pressured a vice president to intervene in the electoral vote count. And no one else encouraged his supporters to come to Washington the day of the count and then sat on his hands for hours after they invaded the Capitol. Other than those and many other differences, though, it’s “the same thing.”

https://theconversation.com/a-history-of-contested-presidential-elections-from-samuel-tilden-to-al-gore-149414

American history since 1800 of refusing to concede election results, seeking to overturn the Electoral College, creating alternate slates of electors, asking a governor to find more votes, pressuring a President or VP to intervene, and encouraging supporters to protest in Washington, DC - same accusations against President Trump.

Accusations against President Trump

Contested Elections in USA History

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refused to concede the election results

Hillary Clinton contests the election to this day.

Stacy Abrams contests the election to this day.

Vice President Thomas Jefferson (Democrat) won the disputed election against John Adams (Federalist) in 1800
https://ap.gilderlehrman.org/essay/presidential-election-1800-story-crisis-controversy-and-change

In 1800, both Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr received the same number of votes in the Electoral College. Because no candidate won a clear majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives followed the Constitution and convened a special session to resolve the impasse by a vote. It took 36 ballots to give Jefferson the victory, which was widely accepted.

In 1824, Andrew Jackson won a plurality of the popular and electoral vote against John Quincy Adams and two other candidates, but failed to win the necessary majority in the Electoral College. The House, again following the procedure set in the Constitution, selected Adams as the winner over Jackson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election

The 1876 election between Rutherford B Hayes and Samuel Tilden was contested because several Southern states failed to clearly certify a winner. each accused the other side of election interference, ballot box stuffing, and sent their own electors to on election day. This was resolved through inter-party negotiation conducted by an Electoral Commission established by Congress. While Hayes would become president, concessions were given to the South that effectively ended Reconstruction.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ugliest-most-contentious-presidential-election-ever-28429530/
https://www.salon.com/2020/11/07/why-the-2020-election-looks-a-lot-like-1876-with-one-crucial-difference/

BLM rioted, burned, and looted  in Washington DC at President Trump's inauguration January 21, 2017, injuring 6 Police officers and doing over $1 billion in damage to businesses.
Similar riots happened in NY, Chicago, Seattle, and Portland
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

sought to overturn the Electoral College.

Democrat Al Gore contested the election in 2000 against Republican George Bush and sought to overturn the Electoral College he lost 271 - 266.
There was a "hanging chad" dispute on the ballot cards in Florida.
Governor Jeb Bush stopped the recount, giving his brother George the win.
The Supreme Court terminated a recount effort and Gore publicly conceded,
“While I strongly disagree with the Court’s decision, I accept it.”

create alternate slates of electors.

Republicans for Nixon in 1960, created an alternate slate of electors against Kennedy

The contest between Democrat John F Kennedy and Republican Richard Nixon in 1960 was rife with allegations of voter fraud, and Nixon supporters pressed for aggressive recounts in many states. In the end, Nixon begrudgingly accepted the decision rather than drag the country through civil discord during the intense US-Soviet tensions of the Cold War.

Democrats for Al Gore against Bush in 2000

asked the governor of a state to “find 11,780 votes.” Stacy accused Governor Kemp of stealing the election
She pressured the same Governor to "find my votes"

pressured a vice president to intervene

Al Gore pressured President Bill Clinton to intervene
Washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/02/07/clinton-and-gore-clashed-over-blame-for-election

encouraged his supporters to come to Washington Democrats for Al Gore protest at the Supreme Court in 2000

Democrat protests, fire, arson, looting against Trump in 2016

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/25/election-denier-stacey-abrams-falsely-denied-georgias-2018-election-results-35-times/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWwjHrwqY8A

President Trump's lawyer shows the Democrats are hypocrites.  Feb 21, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjnX4IUt_eo

Al Gore
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122420&page=1

https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-hill-insurrection-has-roots-in-brooks-brothers-riot-2021-1

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/arrest-trump-pushes-false-equivalence-argument-rcna101769

https://www.sightmagazine.com.au/17773-essay-history-tells-us-that-a-contested-election-won-t-destroy-american-democracy


Contested elections and continuity
In 1800, both Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr received the same number of votes in the Electoral College. Because no candidate won a clear majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives followed the Constitution and convened a special session to resolve the impasse by a vote. It took 36 ballots to give Jefferson the victory, which was widely accepted.

In 1824, Andrew Jackson won a plurality of the popular and electoral vote against John Quincy Adams and two other candidates, but failed to win the necessary majority in the Electoral College. The House, again following the procedure set in the Constitution, selected Adams as the winner over Jackson.

The 1876 election between Rutherford B Hayes and Samuel Tilden was contested because several Southern states failed to clearly certify a winner. This was resolved through inter-party negotiation conducted by an Electoral Commission established by Congress. While Hayes would become president, concessions were given to the South that effectively ended Reconstruction.

The contest between Democrat John F Kennedy and Republican Richard Nixon in 1960 was rife with allegations of voter fraud, and Nixon supporters pressed for aggressive recounts in many states. In the end, Nixon begrudgingly accepted the decision rather than drag the country through civil discord during the intense US-Soviet tensions of the Cold War.

Finally, in 2000, GOP candidate George W Bush and Democratic candidate Al Gore tangled over disputed ballots in Florida. The Supreme Court terminated a recount effort and Gore publicly conceded, recognising the legitimacy of Bush’s victory by saying, “While I strongly disagree with the Court’s decision, I accept it.”

In each case, the losing side was unhappy with the result of the election. But in each case, the loser accepted the legally derived result, and the American democratic political system persisted.

The system collapses
The election of 1860 was a different story.

After Abraham Lincoln defeated three other candidates, Southern states simply refused to accept the results. They viewed the selection of a president who would not protect slavery as illegitimate and ignored the election’s results.

It was only through the profoundly bloody Civil War that the United States remained intact. The dispute over the legitimacy of this election, based in fundamental differences between the North and South, cost 600,000 American lives.

What is the difference between the political collapse of 1860 and the continuity of other contested elections? In all cases, citizens were politically divided and elections were hotly contested.

What makes 1860 stand out so clearly is that the country was divided over the moral question of slavery, and this division followed geographic lines that enabled a revolution to form. Further, the Confederacy was reasonably unified across class lines.

While the America of today is certainly divided, the distribution of political beliefs is far more dispersed and complex than the ideological cohesion of the Confederacy.

Rule of law
History suggests, then, that even if Trump or Biden contest the election, the results would not be catastrophic.

The Constitution is clear on what would happen: First, the president cannot simply declare an election invalid. Second, voting irregularities could be investigated by the states, who are responsible for managing the integrity of their electoral processes. This seems unlikely to change any reported results, as voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.

The next step could be an appeal to the Supreme Court or suits against the states. To overturn any state’s initial selection, evidence of a miscount or voter fraud would have to be strongly established.

If these attempts to contest the election fail, on Inauguration Day, the elected president would lawfully assume the office. Any remaining ongoing contestation would be moot after this point, as the president would have full legal authority to exercise the powers of his office, and could not be removed short of impeachment.

While the result of the 2020 election is sure to make many citizens unhappy, I believe rule of law will endure. The powerful historical, social and geographic forces that produced the total failure of 1860 simply are not present.

The Conversation

Alexander Cohen, is an assistant professor of political science at Clarkson University. This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

"The Constitution is clear on what would happen: First, the president cannot simply declare an election invalid. Second, voting irregularities could be investigated by the states, who are responsible for managing the integrity of their electoral processes. This seems unlikely to change any reported results, as voter fraud is extraordinarily rare."

 

 

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